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FishTank

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  • I live in San Antonio, Texas, US
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  • Bio I don't always help FANDOM users; but when I do, it's as an anthropomorphic fish in an armored military vehicle.
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  • Hi,

    So, I noticed you added a lot of Merge Article tags to some pages me and UnionPointDropout created over the last few months. While I do strongly agree that "cruft" pages for lack of a better term have no place on this Wiki and should be deleted/merged as soon as possible, I'm not sure if Navigator or Directives necessarily fit that criteria.

    While they certainly don't have huge amounts of content, they still do technically fill up an entire page & and each cover topics I think our readers would be interested in researching.

    Tell me what you think.

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    • Let's talk about that. In the case of merging, I'm suggesting the text of all of the individual Category:Position articles be concatenated into a single article. The primary reason is because those articles only make real sense in each other's context. I'm not suggesting deleting them, but re-organizing them to improve the research process. These might help explain.

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    • Ok, so I get what your links are saying about how Wikis receive search penalties when they're stuck with dozens of cruft pages, you should keep small content in different section of larger articles, etc. It's all well & good but there's a fine line we're treading and I'm worried we might eventually go to the other side of the extreme.

      Let's say someone comes to the Wiki and wants to learn what John LaMarr's Navigator position entails. They can just visit the currently existing page and find out everything there is to know, if we merge it with Planetary Union they have to go through entire sections of unrelated info just to find what they need. It kind of triggers a reverse effect where people simply don't bother looking at all since it requires too much work.

      What I'm trying to say is I don't think merging all Position articles into Planetary Union is going to benefit in the Wiki or our readers in the long term.

      Though I will admit merging the articles into the Lieutenant or Captain pages, depending on which rank is needed to acquire said position might be a doable solution.

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    • Not into Planetary Union. Into Planetary Union/Ranks and Positions (which would have sections for Navigator, etc.).

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  • Hi, FishTank. I'm a Content Moderator on The Orville fandom here. I am writing to ask for Admin or Bureaucrat tools. I'm the most active member of the fandom, both by number of edits (over 1500) and by the amount of content added. I've also created a Twitter to publicize the Wikia. The show is gearing up for the second season, and the community could definitely stand to have two active bureaucrats around here. I look forward to hearing from you.

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    • Good idea, FishTank. I'm a little busy at the moment with another project, but I'll try and start a Discuss thread on that sometime soon.

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    • When approached on its own, the title USS Orville (ECV-197) seems unnecessarily verbose. However, when put into context, the reason for the registry serial becomes more evident. The problem is that we have ships of the same "names" but different classes and registries. The USS Olympia is a name for Leviathan- and a Science-class cruisers. Appending the registry is the only way to distinguish them. That being said, I agree with FishTank to move the conversation elsewhere.

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  • Hey, so it's been awhile since I tried to adopt this Wiki back in October and while I've definitely enjoyed my Content Moderator tools, I think now 500+ edits later it's a good time to discuss possibly gaining Administrator and/or Bureaucratic rights here.

    Like we discussed before I have tried to create community, edited and built pages, fleshed out a lot of the episode synopsis', etc. I truly believe this Wiki will need an a fully active Administrator to thrive. I'm planning on expanding the Wiki rules by adding a General Guidelines page and think having Administrative tools would make that a lot easier.

    What do you think?

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  • Hey,

    Since you are currently the only active Administrator on this website you're the only person I can go to for this problem. There seems to be an anon user that has been vandalizing The Orville and Steve Newton pages. Adding nonsense consistently to both articles. I'm trying to rollback the destructive edits but he just keeps coming back.

    I don't like to do this, but sometimes if a user won't behave more drastic actions need to be taken. Since I'm without the tools to enforce such things, the responsibility might fall on you.

    Thanks and Happy Editing.

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  • Hey, I recently made a Consensus to discuss if my outline for the Wiki's Manual of Style should be implemented or not. Take a look here.

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    • Made a couple of grammar corrections to the Manual, but otherwise looks good. How do we want to handle Charlize Theron, given that she may never come back?

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    • We should probably handle any discussions regarding the Manual on the Blog's comment section.

      As for the guest stars, I'm personally in the camp that they do deserve articles. Even though they are usually only one and done, they often play significant or notable roles within the episodes and that can be highlighted on their pages. Charlize Theron for example, will probably not return but her character Pria Lavesque was important to an episode.

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  • Hello FishTank,

    I'm almost finished up with the Manual of Style page! It won't be long before I present it to the community, and if they approve of it via consensus can be the wiki's first official policy.

    However, I am wondering since you seemed interested in creating guidelines that better explains what constitutes as relevant articles, should there be an individual addendum that explicitly prohibits the creation of Non-Orville related content?

    Ex. Bill Nye should never have his own page, as he has never appeared within the Series. Regardless of how much information we actually have on him.

    Personally, I feel like there may be more than a few times that this rule is bent that I'm weary of adding as an official Manual guideline. Even if we do add it we can always ignore it in the future (as per Wiki's Ignore all Rules policy). But still, if we're gonna add it that means it will be adhered to at least in the far majority of cases.

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    • Guidelines can be bent, rules can be broken. 😁 There's always room for interpretation. But that's a pretty good example. It's not one that we would have to punish people over breaking, but there's a fair amount of quality control I expect we'll have to do. I don't know if you caught the most recent Town Hall, but we talked a bit about SEO and article significance. It's a good watch / read if you're interested. 

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    • Cool. I'll add it and try and make a few more adjustments to the doc before releasing it. Thanks for this! :P

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  • Hey,

    So, I noticed the Andy and Josh pages got marked for deletion. While I do understand your reasoning behind this decision I'm skeptical to follow through with getting rid of them. As they were mentioned characters who ultimately may make an appearance within the series at some point or be addressed again. For that reason I would personally consider them more worth keeping than say the former Bill Nye page.

    Are you really passionate about those pages being deleted, or do you think they can stay for a little longer?

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    • who ultimately may make an appearance within the series at some point or be addressed again

      They may or may not. But until they do, we only have their first names.

      Remember, a screenful or it's not worthy. I should probably explain a little more about why: there's a search engine penalty for short pages like these, and ultimately a single line about Andy can be found in Majority Rule to give him context. If a user goes searching for Andy (in which case they'll find the context in Majority Rule), they're still set. But hypothetical potential future appearances aren't really helpful. Even encyclopedias eventually have to say "this is cruft".

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    • Hmm, that's an interesting point. With it in mind perhaps I should delete those pages until more information becomes available.

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  • Hello, I'm a member of Fandom's Community Support team. We're excited to have The Orville Wiki as part of the Fandom community!

    It may seem like there’s a lot to do, but we’re here to help make getting started quick and easy. Here are some helpful tips and links to get your community going:

    Have fun!

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